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\",\"caption\":\"Transcription - EP #8: Divorce, Major Depressive Disorder, Postpartum Depression and Alternatives to Antidepressants Charlie McDermott 0:02 Welcome to the Mandela podcast where we help you feel your best body, mind and soul. And then Charlie McDermott back with three Jaworski free, how're you doing? Bri Jaworski MA, LMHC, QS 0:15 I'm awesome. Charlie, how are you doing? How was your Thanksgiving? Charlie McDermott 0:19 Thanksgiving was wonderful, delightful. And so Anyways, Bri Jaworski MA, LMHC, QS 0:23 hope everybody was good. Charlie McDermott 0:26 You know, just just having that downtime. It's hard. I mean, weekend to great, but never enough and to have that for days, even though you're kind of in the beginning, you know, you kid yourself that you're gonna get so many things done or these talks and but you know, it's still good. You know, does Unknown Speaker 0:44 that mean some time off is nice? Yeah. And it's like, I mean, I actually I picked up a couple clients on Friday. So I had to work a little bit on Friday. But, you know, having Thursday and Saturday and Sunday, and a little bit of Friday was really nice. And my husband was home. So that's always nice. So yeah, all around good times. Oh, terrific. Charlie McDermott 1:03 Well, speaking of nice, we had a real nice conversation in the last episode. Some nights it did it just it will go on and on because of me, fortunately, you're there and helping folks. But we, we still have four more scenarios slash questions to get through. So are you Have you recovered from the last episode? Unknown Speaker 1:26 I don't know. I really don't know. I have. The last one was heavy, though, for sure. And yeah, especially Charlie McDermott 1:33 that last question. Unknown Speaker 1:37 I spend a lot of time thinking about that particular topic that with the trans teens that we talked about in the last episode. It's It's crazy how much it comes up in my line of work? Just yeah. So it's, it's interesting to have people ask questions about it and be able to answer it. I feel like we could do a whole episode on just on that topic, though. It's a heavy one for sure. Charlie McDermott 2:02 Yeah, yeah. So So for your listeners who are wondering what was the last episode all about? Make sure you go back and listen, if you're just jumping in on this first one. But before you go back, stay tuned to this one. So we're going to it's kind of the same running theme. We're just like I said, we ran out of time. So we're going to jump into that next question. We had three, which was the past few weeks, especially this week, I've had no motivation to do anything at all. And I want to, all I want to do is just lie in bed. I know what I need to do and have to do, but I have no will to do it. I'm worried that it will affect my grades. I don't feel like leaving the house at all. I have to study and do some schoolwork, but I keep pushing it back and kept getting distracted. Because I have no motivation to study or do work. I then feel guilty that I'm not doing anything. And I hate myself for that. I don't know what to do. I mean, that vicious cycle. Yeah, yeah, I Unknown Speaker 3:06 think a lot of people can relate to that, for sure. I know I can. Absolutely. So it definitely sounds like this person is involved in a bit of a depressive episode. Now, I'm not definitely not in this situation, would I attempt to diagnose anybody, I don't know enough information. I don't know the person, but it definitely sounds like a depressive episode. And so the first thing I would say is, when you're starting to feel like just that loss of motivation, and just you know, the things that typically bring you joy, or no longer bringing you joy, that kind of thing, you want to start to take, like, a bit of an inventory in your life, meaning, you know, check in with yourself like how are your relationships, not just your romantic relationships, but like relationships with family, friends, that kind of thing? How are those going? Are you able to keep that up? Are you able to spend time with people still? Or is that something again, that's kind of falling by the wayside because of your lack of motivation to do things and that kind of thing? So the second thing would be check in on your job, your career, or how's that going? Or your just your financial situation? These are all things that can bring either peace or a lot of stress to people, depending on where you fall on the spectrum. What are your major stressors? So like just taking again, an inventory on what are the things in your life that are bringing you a large amount of stress? I would definitely try to pinpoint what those things are and alleviate or eliminate some of them or at least spend less time on some of them if you can, and also what brings you joy, what brings you peace? I talk about this a lot with my clients. I feel like I just literally in my session that I have right before this. I was just talking about this. And have you mailed that. I'm on board for Board Certified Health Coach, but I'm also a PhD program in integrative medicine. And so the university that I go to is all like at the basis of everything we do is quantum physics. So for my science people out there, you'll really understand this. But in a, in a quantum physics sort of situation when we think of like the law of vibration, so we are all vibrating at a certain frequency. So like my computer, this microphone, my body, you know, you, Charlie, the listeners, everybody, everybody has a frequency, it'd be really cool. If we had like a little, you know, some sort of measure of what that was, you know, it'd be really cool. If it was like, Oh, you're measuring at 800 right now, like, that'd be sweet, but we don't. So we have to kind of gauge where we are as far as our frequency, by the way that we feel. And so what we've also learned is that emotional states carry their own frequency as well. So for example, on the low end of the frequency, scale, you've got things like shame, guilt, depression, sadness, all of these things that just they don't feel good. That's basically, without some sort of measurement of what our frequency is, that's how you can tell if something has a high vibrational frequency or a low vibrational frequency, does it feel good or not. So this person I would venture to say, is probably vibrating at a very low frequency. Because of the way that they're feeling, no motivation, you know, just feeling sad, and not wanting to do things and that kind of thing. So on the other end of the spectrum, we've got things like peace, joy, enlightenment, love, those are all high vibrational frequencies. And so what we do have control over is we are able to pinpoint things in our life, that bring us joy, that bring us peace. And I always tell people, like literally make a list of those things and start to incorporate more of those things into your life. Because when we jump to another law of the universe, which a lot of people a lot more people are familiar with this one is the law of attraction. So, you know, in very basic terms, like attracts like, so on a frequency level, we're going to, we're going to attract something that's vibrating at the same frequency we are. So if we're vibrating at a very low frequency, which sounds like this person might be, then we're going to attract more of those low vibrational things into our life, like shame and guilt and sadness, depression, anxiety, things like that. Now, if we start to incorporate more of the hybrid rational things, like things that bring us joy, and peace, those will bring our frequency up. And then we will start attracting more things that are on our new vibrational plane. So these are simple things that I mean, it sounds simple to make a list of things that bring you peace and joy, which it is simple. But the thing is, when you're lacking motivation, things it's might, it may be hard sometimes to start to incorporate some of that stuff in your life. But my suggestion, my very, very strong suggestion would be to try if you do nothing else, but find a couple things that bring you peace, or you know, I always tell people, it can be people, it can be experiences, it could be places, it could be things, you know, whatever, it doesn't matter what it is, it's just the feeling that you get from it, if you're getting a feeling from it, fans is a hybrid rational thing. I was just semi joking, not really joking with my client that I just saw, because she's very spiritual. And I'm very spiritual as well. And they theorized that people that if you believe in this kind of thing, people that get like, possessed by demons are vibrating at a really low frequency. And the demons are at a really low frequency. So they're like more susceptible to that kind of thing. So if for no other reason than to not get possessed by demons, and keep your frequency high. And that's all I'm saying. But for like, I mean, if you think about it, if you're vibrating at that very low frequency, you're susceptible to all sorts of negative things. So just try to keep your frequency high. And even if it's just doing little things like, like incorporating and it could be easy things like spending time with your pets or you know, having a conversation with somebody that makes you happy or you know, sometimes it's watching TV or something, you know, it doesn't matter what it is. I'm not here to judge what the what the things are that bring you peace and joy. Just figure them out. That's I think that's the main takeaway, figure out what it is that brings you peace and joy and incorporate more of that. Charlie McDermott 9:41 Wow. 1015 years ago, I would have listened to that brilliant said, yeah, yeah. You know, it's a bunch of woowoo or however you want to phrase it. Yeah, I'll tell you why. What you just shared has completely changed. My life Barb's life. And I have a fraction of the knowledge that you have. But but I'm like getting chills if you're going through all that. And it is such an important message for everyone. I mean, the other side of it is if you're not depressed, but and you want to stay, you know, high vibration, it's important to understand that there is such a thing. And that, like you said, like attracts like, I mean, it's like that saying, you become like the five people you spend most time with, right? You know, it really is that that same wall? Unknown Speaker 10:35 Yes. Yeah, right. And, you know, we have we don't blink an eye, when someone puts food in a microwave and it's cooked. And, you know, we can't see what's happening. In something's happening, or we turn on a radio and music starts coming out, we don't blink an eye at those kinds of frequencies. But when we talk about frequencies, you know, having to do with our ourselves or like, you know, vibrating a certain frequency, we all like think it's weird. It's the same concept just because you can't see something. And I think that's the whole like, premise behind quantum physics, right. But you can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. So you know, the things that we don't see are the things that we need to keep an eye on, so to speak, you know, more so than others, because they're not blatantly in our face. We need to make sure that we're making a conscious effort to be more aware of them. So but it does make Yeah, you're right. It makes a huge difference in your life. Charlie McDermott 11:24 See, this is what happens. We, we we talked about one question before you now like 15 minutes. Unknown Speaker 11:31 I know. That's why we don't get their questions. But we want our best here. Charlie McDermott 11:38 Doing great. This is so so helpful. I mean, again, you can ever hear this enough. I don't care what kind of state you're in. You're depressed, average, you know, high vibration, it just that constant reminders is so so important, because we all live inside our heads, right? Unknown Speaker 11:54 Yes. 100%. Yeah, I need to be reminded of it too. And it's not like I'm an all knowing, you know, I get into little funks and things I have to constantly remind myself, Charlie McDermott 12:04 I'll make sure you listen to this episode, alright. My wife wants a divorce. I don't understand. She said she loves me dearly in the same conversation. But she needs to work on herself. We've been together since 17. We're both now 28. My world is crashing around me. I've cried. I've suggested professional help. I've cried some more. I just don't know what to do. She said it's her, not me. She said she is interested in someone else. But they haven't taught or hung out or even hinted at the thought. And he's my entire are and he's interested. I'm sorry. And, and what is it and he doesn't know at this. So there we go. So he doesn't know. They just work together. I don't know. I'm just sort of lost and kind of venting. I've been with her my entire adult life. And I feel that she's the one for me. She has bipolar as anxiety, depression, ADHD, I feel like it's just a phase she's going through, I just really don't know what to do. She is staying at her cousins. And she said, I love you always have and always will, no matter what happens, this hurts me too. But I have to do what I have to do for myself. I'm sorry. She's my person. And I have no idea what I can do to make her see there are other ways if she loves me, like she says she does. Unknown Speaker 13:32 Well, my heart goes out to this person. Because speaking of frequencies, you know, when we talk about things that can be the most damaging the most depressing divorce is definitely up there on the list right after like grieving, a death, you know, close death. So divorce is really difficult, I feel like this is and you know, like, nothing's a one size fit all fits all. But I feel like this is kind of a cautionary tale of getting married really young. You know, sometimes people get married really young, and it works out. And it's amazing and wonderful. And that's great. But also what I see happening sometimes is people get married really young, and they get to be like in their late 20s like this person early 30s. And they are like, I feel like I missed something. I feel like I missed this chunk of my life that I was supposed to explore, explore myself explore, you know, whatever, and they didn't get to do that. And so now it's like, they want to do that now at a later date, but it's like they're married and so they feel this like pull towards being free and you know, living their life which they feel like they missed and then being married. So it sounds to me like this could kind of be what's going on. I understand also him saying that, you know his wife has some mental health issues because sometimes specifically with some In the mental health issues that he mentioned, there can be some impulsivity and things like that. What leads me to believe that this is not that is, she sounds like she's somebody who has one foot out the door, like, I love you. And you know, and it's very possible to love someone and not be in love with them or not want to be in a relationship with them anymore. So it does sound like she loves him, but doesn't necessarily want to be in the marriage anymore. So I think for this person, they are going to have to realize a couple things that like, one, this might be some sort of phase, you know, like, she might need to explore and do some things that she feels like she missed out on and she might change your mind afterwards, she might be like, You know what this is for the birds, I don't really like this idea. Okay, got it on my system, and I want to come back. So this person is going to have to figure out if that's something that they're willing to accept or not. But I think the biggest mistake would be to try to keep this marriage together in the hopes that like this will go away. Because even if it goes away, for a period of time, I would guarantee I would put money on the fact that it would, it's going to come back again. And maybe it'll come back up again, when they're 40. And then when they're 50, you know, like, because there she is trying to fulfill something real or perceived that she missed out on. And so to not allow her to explore that. I just feel like it's going to be like a recurring issue in their relationships. So yeah, this is it's a hard thing. It definitely sounds like she does love you, but at the same time, needs to do what's right for her. And that's kind of what this person said at the end that they need to do what's best for them. And, you know, not to say that it doesn't suck, and it doesn't hurt, but I just feel like there's certain things that people feel like they need to explore or accomplish or whatever. And if she wasn't given the opportunity to do that, because you guys got married so young, then she obviously feels like she needs to do it now. So find support. Find support, because it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough one. Charlie McDermott 17:17 All right, you ready for the next one? Unknown Speaker 17:19 Yeah, I'm ready. Charlie McDermott 17:23 My whole birth of my job was traumatic. I never got that skin the skin for an hour because she had to be rushed to the NICU. I was in the hospital for a week. And that whole week on who saw him for an hour or two Max a day, when I had my C section, my boyfriend wasn't even holding my hand or anything. The only thing I remember as a nurse holding my hand when I heard the baby's first cries, and the minute she let go, I just felt immense sadness throughout my whole body. I didn't even know why. It's not like I knew it's not like I knew her. Now I just feel disconnected to my baby. I don't even realize that I'm actually a mother to someone. Like I know, every other parent says the online guide, my baby is my life. I wouldn't have it any other way? Well, I would I'm not sure I made the right choice having a baby. And I feel so guilty even thinking this way. My baby will be three weeks on Tuesday, in my past the baby blues, or is this really postpartum depression, I don't even understand this feeling. Unknown Speaker 18:26 Oh, this is a hard one. Um, so the baby blues, what people refer to as the baby blues typically happens between the birth of your child and about up to three weeks. And so it sounds like they're kind of on the cusp. If it continues past three weeks, that's where we get into the postpartum depression kind of area. Postpartum depression can be really terrible. I mean, you feel like a disconnection to your child. And it doesn't help also that we live in this world with social media and stuff where everyone's constantly like, this is my baby. And I never knew love like this. And I'm not like making fun of it. But you know, you hear this a lot. You see this a lot on social media, like, Oh, my life never didn't even start till I had my baby. So we're programmed as mothers to think that that is how we have to feel or we're not a good mother. Yeah, and so to feel off, you feel a disconnection with your baby, you feel like not like you've really settled into motherhood, or whatever the case may be. You have this immense guilt on top of feeling that which feeling that in and of itself is terrible, but then you have this immense guilt that's kind of given to you by our society that tells you that like all of those things are against nature and they're wrong. I can see just from the things that this person said, It makes total sense to me that they're experiencing what could be loosely labeled as postpartum depression at this point. The I mean, don't even get me started on the hospital system with with birth because that's again, that could be a whole episode. But just you know from the beginning not having skin to skin contact with the baby having a C section having the baby taken, only getting to see them a few hours a day after birth, I mean, all of these things like on a very physiological and biological level, these all have an effect on your bond with your child, they have an effect on, you know, lactation, they have an effect on your hormonal balance, they have an effect on the latch, breastfeeding, everything that has to do with your child really starts in that in those first moments, leading up to the first few hours after their birth. And so it was almost like that whole kind of domino effect of good things happening was halted because of the way that things happened with the birth of your child. And so it's not super surprising to me that you would be feeling this way. And there's a couple of things I would say one, there are tons and tons of support groups and things like that of moms out there that have felt and experienced the same thing or might be currently a lot that really good thing about that I love about Postpartum Support Groups is because it's like these moms have gone through it, they're past it, but they know that it's so significant, and it hurts so bad and so terrible, that they take the time to like help new moms that are currently going through it to help them and to know that like there's a light at the end of the tunnel kind of thing, which I think is really helpful. Because when you're in it, you feel like this is how I'm going to feel about my kid forever, like I'm never going to bond with them, I'm never going to connect with them. I myself had really bad postpartum depression. And I think a lot of it had to do with also the way that my son was born. I mean, leading up to my son being born, everything was exactly the way I wanted it. We, we were doing a home birth, like everything was very natural and very, on my terms, you know, but I had I had some complications, after delivering him, which I then had to be rushed to the hospital directly after that. So basically, I had probably 30 minutes with my son before I had to be rushed in an ambulance to the hospital. So I missed a lot of that in the skin and that bonding time. And you know that just that that time that is honestly priceless with your child when they're first born. And so I had what I would consider the baby blues the first couple of weeks, but then when it got into week three, week four and onward, I would definitely say I was dealing with postpartum depression. And it's a it's a terrible feeling. Because not only are you feeling these things, but you have this insane amount of guilt for feeling them. It's like you can't even be safe in your own head. Because the thoughts that you're having are so terrible, and you're judging yourself so much. Yeah, yeah. And you know, that if you were to say it out loud, other people would be judging you too. So, you know, I remember just crying to my husband and telling him like, I'm a terrible mother. I'm not meant to be a mother and, and, you know, we look back on it now. It's just like, that was a really hard, like, difficult time in our life. But, you know, he knew he had the foresight at that time, because his hormones weren't going crazy. And, you know, to be like, No, you're not, you're a wonderful woman, you're a wonderful wife, you're gonna be a wonderful mother, everything's gonna be okay. And he was right. But in that moment, like, I just remember being like, this is not for me, like I don't and it's like, what do you do you just like, give your baby back to Charlie McDermott 23:53 like, when you return? Unknown Speaker 23:57 Yeah, like, I remember looking at my son and just being like, like, I just feel nothing for you. And that's there. I mean, even saying it out loud right now like, is just a terrible, terrible thing. You know, I like cringe even hearing myself say that. But I think that more moms need to talk about that part because it normalizes other moms going through that, like now. That is that has completely shifted for me and like, I love my son more than anything and like, I don't, I don't feel that disconnect anymore at all. But at that time, I remember feeling like I don't know how I will ever connect with this child. Like I don't know how ever love this child like I remember feeling immense, immense love for my husband. I love my husband so much. He's my number one, you know, but this kid that we made like, you know, I just it's so crazy even saying it out loud. But I honestly remember feeling that and so I just I urge you to just please get support. There's so much support out there because a lot of moms have gone through This and then they know how terrible it is and stay off social media, you know, only if you're going for specific reasons for helpful reasons. But stay off social media because you're seeing all these like picture perfect mom's picture perfect families and it just makes you feel more inadequate more, you know, depressed, more terrible, more guilty all of the things you know, like we were just talking about vibration like that. I mean that's like bottom of the barrel vibration right there so yeah, Charlie McDermott 25:29 I wish I could be having the best day of my life. And if I spend a few minutes on social media all of a sudden I feel like inadequate. I'm carrying with me. Well, and Unknown Speaker 25:43 it's like, it's it's creepy too. Because all of these social media platforms have these algorithms that it's almost like, you know, they know what you're thinking they know what you're feeling they they know how to like prey on your insecurities. It's like, it's very so yeah, just stay stay away from it until you're like in a better headspace and, and please just Yeah, same as the last one, just find some support, whether it be a therapist or support group or something or, you know, there, there are a lot of moms out there that really can attest to what you're going through. And although they're not you going through the same experience, I think it's it's always nice to know, somebody went through something similar and they came out on the other side, and like you can see them with their kids and their wonderful parents now. And, you know, it's so it's nice to see that, you know, there's light at the end of the tunnel for you. If so, best of luck to you. Charlie McDermott 26:33 That's huge. All right. Next question. I've been diagnosed with major depressive disorder, and my psychiatrist has recommended medication. I tried to live a healthy lifestyle and really don't want to get on medication. But also, I don't want to depress any advice on alternatives. Unknown Speaker 26:54 Oh, I love this question. Because this is getting more into health coaching stuff, which I'm really into as well. So yes, I do have some alternatives. So one of the things that we've been taught, you know, even myself like being taught in school, you know, serotonin and dopamine and all your, your neurotransmitters, your feel good neurotransmitters are created in the brain. Well, what we found now is that they're actually created on our gut. And so what I would say to this person is we need to focus on gut health. I feel like gut health is like a popular thing right now. But in terms of mental health, it's absolutely vital. So when we're talking about alternatives to antidepressants, you want to check in on your gut health, my guess and I bet I'm right is this person is having gut issues, whether it be digestive issues, leaky gut, stomach aches, constipation, diarrhea, whatever. I bet you they're having gut problems. So the first thing we need to clean up our diets, processed foods, processed foods are terrible. They there's a regulation now in the United States. Finally, we have like so few regulations on food in this country. That literally boggles my mind. But there's a regulation that is relatively new in the last year that every food processed, that sold in the commercial grocery stores or wherever have to be labeled as bioengineered if they are bioengineered. So check your labels stuff go through my husband and I did this. We went through our whole entire cupboard and pantry and everything, anything that was labeled, like had bioengineered ingredients, threw it out. There is no long term study on what effect this kind of stuff will have on us. They think, you know, just kind of theorizing now that it has potential to change your DNA to have fertility issues, neurological issues, all sorts of issues. So get that crap out of your diet. The other thing is food dyes, food dyes are in so much stuff, check your labels for food dyes. When we're talking about depression, that's one thing but even ADHD and other things that are going on with children and adults can be completely exacerbated by food dyes. So like red 40, yellow, number five, all of those food dyes. If if you give a kid something with you know, a kid that's been diagnosed ADHD or with autism, if you give them something with red 40 in it, you will notice a change in their behavior within 30 minutes of giving them that substance. It's really it has a very profound effect on us. So get rid of that stuff. Probiotics, everybody talks about probiotics. But what people don't talk about is prebiotics. So you give the probiotics that's the good bacteria We want to add that to our system. But we also need to feed the probiotics, which is where the prebiotics come in. So prebiotics are just fiber, so you can get it in all sorts of forms. But we want to be taking both in order to really clean up our gut. The other thing is, I would suggest is a parasite cleanse. So here in the United States, Parasite cleanses are really just something that we don't do, generally speaking. I mean, I think people that are really into health and know about parasites and the damage and like they basically can wreak havoc on every part of your body. But in other countries, it's very, very commonplace for semi annual or biannual parasite cleanses like they just do them they've been doing them their whole life. So when they hear that in America, we don't do parasite cleanses. They're like, what, like, what are these people thinking, you know, for as advanced as we are over here in America, we just really icky I don't want to talk about parasites, but like, you have pets, if you have pets in your home, if you walk around barefoot outside, which I suggest doing because it's a great way to ground yourself, but you have parasites just trust me, everybody has parasites, so doing a parasite cleanse, that can definitely help. And then just gut healthy foods, fermented foods, bone broths just things, just Whole Foods, not processed foods. So just really cleaning up your diet. And then the other thing is limiting your sugar intake, but also and I think even more importantly, avoiding manmade sugar substitutes specifically like so we have like saccharin Sweet and Low, for sure. Equal. And then we have sucralose which is Splenda. So and the number one culprit for gut issues, is Splenda. If you are using or consuming Splenda, definitely stop. Splenda, actually, they say that consuming Splenda, like in your coffee, or whatever you're putting it in, is the equivalent of going through a round of antibiotics in regards to how it depletes your gut microbiome. So yeah, and like, nobody knows this, nobody and the fact that they even allow it, you know, the fact that they even allow us to consume that is insane. So yeah. So you know, if we think of our gut biome, we have our good and bad bacteria. And almost like in a rainforest, you know, you have all sorts of things living cohesively in harmony. But when you wipe out all of the bacteria in your, which is what antibiotics do, right? They wipe out the bad bacteria, but they also wipe out the good bacteria. So that's why we have to replenish after we take a round of antibiotics. And they say typically, it takes about two years after you take one round round of antibiotics before you can get your gut microbiome back to like a beautiful rainforest. So, but remember, Splenda has that same effect. So yeah, and so definitely avoid antibiotics. There's a lot of natural antibiotics that you can take garlic, oregano, like, there's a lot of different things that you can do. And I grew up in the 90s. Like, we were given antibiotics, like they were candy, like a cough, and they were like, here's a round of amoxicillin, you know, just I cannot tell you how many times when I was a kid that I mean, every time every time I went to the doctor, they gave me an antibiotic. They didn't even they couldn't even tell me what was wrong with me. They're like, here's the antibiotic, you know. And that's, that was just like the normal commonplace. And maybe it still is, I don't know, I don't really mess with allopathic medicine anymore. But I just like thinking about that makes me cringe, because it's almost like they set me up to have gut issues later on in life, and I definitely did. So. Yeah, so just, you know, if, when we're thinking about depression, and not wanting to be on antidepressants, we really need to focus on our gut health, that's the biggest tip that I can give is just really making sure that you're doing whatever you can to support a healthy gut because all of your serotonin 95% of it is being manufactured in your gut. So if you have an unhealthy leaky gut, you know, no wonder you're feeling like crap mentally and physically. So yeah. We've covered it all in it. Yeah. A lot of depression stuff. So I guess that's the theme of today. Charlie McDermott 34:42 Yeah, well, I think you you've opened the eyes of your listeners to make wine. It's like you just talked about it's not all about just medications and and there are ways that you we can all feel better. And that connection between got health and yeah. How we feel. And we, this is probably new information for a lot of folks. Unknown Speaker 35:08 Yeah. Yeah, me too. I'm actually glad that came up. Charlie McDermott 35:13 Well, I think you probably need a nap after all that Obree once again, really appreciate your knowledge and sharing that with the world here and I look forward to seeing the next Unknown Speaker 35:31 episode. Absolutely. Thanks for being here with me and thanks for listening guys. Charlie McDermott 35:35 Thanks for listening to the Mandela podcast to learn more about Mandela Counseling and Health Coaching. Go to www dot Mandela hyphen counseling.com. That's www dot Mandela ma n d a l a hyphen, counseling COUNSE l i n g.com or call 239-360-1983 or visit us on Facebook or Instagram\"}}}}","socialSharing":{"twitter":{"enabled":false,"profile":"@ServicesMandala"},"facebook":{"enabled":true}}}};